I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. It should have been investigated further. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. Lets not take that lightly. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I go fishing with a jurors husband. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. Some of your facts arent facts at all. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. What was the rationale behind this? I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. They would have tried to reopen the case. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. Q. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. She was not in the car when her children were shot. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. She repeated it years later at school. Page 35 of Case History. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . I lived through the media coverage. But in my opinion, it shows how Diane was disturbed and could also have found a better path in life if given the chance and the right support. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. This is a conflict of interest. I care about what was said at trial. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. The rest of the family? She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Was that Annes fault as well? For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History She had one arm totally out of commission. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. They would have welcomed them with open arms. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. It should be removed from the blog. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Is Diane really a threat anymore? While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. How about dads side of the family? Is. why didn't steve downs get custody. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. Until the end of the trial. And he grew up there. Seriously. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Not right at all. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. It probably makes you feel so good. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. Everyone deserves peace. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. It was not the right gun. Why arent you debating the faulty ballistics, and the fact that the gun they affirmed was used in the commission of the crime was not the right one? She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. So move on. That is pure bullshit. I am not saying she is innocent. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Anyways. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). And Hugi seemed pretty sure he would get what he was asking for. Hello. #corrupt. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. She got an apartment and I was going to move in with her. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? How asinine. I would love to hear your answers to them. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. She has come a long way. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? Wrong. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? At the very least, she should have been released by now. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Did she act like a average person? Mr. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. It was never a slam dunk. Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from a trio of economists says pandemic lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. And in fact this would have been about the time that Charlene broke a bottle of liquor that you had. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. In reply to Kit This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? Theres a lot to be said here, still. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. In Rules book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she lovedher childrendearly and worked hard to be a good provider. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. It is not my point. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? Andthe DA adopted her other two children. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. What a terrible injustice. This was very stressful. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. Shes where she belongs. It was the story of Diane Downs. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. But I know that there were major problems with this case. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? It sounds pretty fair to me. The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. But you are right to say that it is my site. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. It always feels like punishment at all costs. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Or be mentally ill. She even provided the police with her own sketch. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. 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